From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com>
Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com
Subject: Re: Customize fringe
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:07:24 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1768FA-000If6C@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5xsn509w7x.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> (storm@cua.dk)
On 2002 May 10, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@is.elta.co.il> wrote:
In any case, I think general fringe on/off will be less useful
once fringes are per buffer/window rather than per frame.
Yes, this is definitely true. Indeed, I tend to think of all toggles
as per-buffer rather than per-frame, even though I know they are not.
This is because I seen the buffer as the fundamental unit: the place
where one works, the place that holds files, the place where commands
go and messages come from (in my mental model of what Emacs does, a
mini-buffer/echo area applies only to the current buffer, not to a
frame); when I run an external process, such as grep, I see it as
within a buffer, and independent of other buffers.
That, by the way, is why I expect one instance of Emacs to be able to
run multiple Emacs Lisp processes at the same time and am still, often
surprised that Emacs cannot -- I know the difficulties of doing this;
I am saying that the feature is contrary to my expectation.
In other words, I think of a buffer metaphorically as a `place', such
as an island in an ocean. I can approach such an island in various
ways; that is to say, I can open several windows on the same buffer;
and different buffers have different features available to me. Dired
buffers enable me to do some things, *cvs* buffers enable me to do
other things, buffers visiting files enable be to do yet different
actions. Moreover, I can copy from one island to another using the
`kill' command.
Note how the naming of the `kill' command comes from a different
metaphor. In a metaphor based on place, `kill' is the wrong metaphor;
the word should be `clip', as in clipping the blossom off of a flower.
But where text is seen as a living entity that a god can kill
resurrect, `kill' become the right metaphor. The `cut', `paste'
metaphor comes from the old practice, which I engaged in before
computers, of cutting segments of text out of pages, and pasting them
onto fresh paper so the resulting document has the segments of text in
a different order.
--
Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com
Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-05-10 11:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-05-09 12:05 Customize fringe Simon Josefsson
2002-05-09 12:28 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-09 17:36 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-09 18:48 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-09 19:46 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-10 1:32 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-10 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-10 7:23 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-10 9:40 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-05-10 11:07 ` Robert J. Chassell [this message]
2002-05-10 11:08 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-05-10 10:44 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-05-10 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-10 13:37 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-05-13 2:16 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-11 6:31 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-11 8:04 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-09 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-09 18:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-05-09 19:39 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-09 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-05-09 22:13 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-09 22:24 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-11 8:16 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-11 9:14 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-11 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-11 12:24 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-11 23:28 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-05-11 6:31 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-09 23:31 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-05-11 9:12 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-11 23:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-05-11 23:11 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-12 4:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-12 9:51 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-12 10:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-12 10:30 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-12 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-13 14:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-10 0:29 ` Richard Stallman
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