From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert J. Chassell" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customize fringe Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <877kmd7bf5.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87helh5f96.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <2950-Fri10May2002095256+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> Reply-To: bob@rattlesnake.com NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021027523 26203 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2002 10:45:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1767tq-0006oW-00 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:45:22 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17682t-0006pu-00 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 12:54:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1767th-0004yd-00; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:45:13 -0400 Original-Received: from megalith.rattlesnake.com ([140.186.114.245] helo=localhost) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1767t0-0004jJ-00 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 06:44:31 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Fri, 10 May 2002 10:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <2950-Fri10May2002095256+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3802 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3802 The basic name of a feature has a strong influence on how people think of it .... Miles is right: * if I toggle mouse-avoidance-mode, I expect the mouse appear or go away, as the documentation says; * if I toggle font-lock-mode, I expect Font Locking to turn on or off. By the same reasoning, * if I toggle fringe-mode, I expect the fringe to appear or vanish; * if I toggle reduced-fringe-mode, I expect the fringe to appear or be reduced. (I can also imagine that if I give a zero-width argument to reduced-fringe-mode, I can reduce the fringes to zero width. But then, I am no longer an Emacs newbie.) Hence, if the goal is to encourage people to use fringes of some width, be the width large or small, on one side or two, in those circumstances where fringes make sense, then reduced-fringe-mode is a better name. If, on the other hand, the goal is to enable people to turn off fringes altogether, even in situations where Emacs can handle them, then fringe-mode is a better name. -- Robert J. Chassell bob@rattlesnake.com Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com