From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Crotti Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:38:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87bp4ex0a4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <7e99bd12-91df-4cc2-bfc9-576df4c5283b@i18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2uohx.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <6d58027e-6ed1-41f6-8653-fbcd42236b68@w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <87fwtqums7.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <86126496-de72-4e5c-9443-5cfce30f28ab@15g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293190853 24228 80.91.229.12 (24 Dec 2010 11:40:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:40:53 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 24 12:40:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PW5zj-0007mI-0L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:40:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PW5zc-0004Yh-B3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:39:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50068 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PW5zH-0004YW-JW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:39:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PW5zG-0003FX-Hv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:39:07 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:35589) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PW5zG-0003Eq-4D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:39:06 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PW5zA-0007ab-Pt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:39:00 +0100 Original-Received: from h78-ipv4-77-241-2.mynet.it ([77.241.2.78]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:39:00 +0100 Original-Received: from andrea.crotti.0 by h78-ipv4-77-241-2.mynet.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:39:00 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h78-ipv4-77-241-2.mynet.it User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xwpri5FV9I0vttPRWhNB+jJGsl8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77858 Archived-At: Elena writes: > > Indeed it is, and in fact I've not said that. I've said: > > IDEs are more effective than editors for software development -> > Emacs ships as an editor, not as an IDE -> > Building an IDE on top of Emacs is a time-consuming and wheel- > reinventing task -> > Thuse: use an IDE, and effortlessly switch back and forth it and Emacs > if you like. > > I don't understand why some Emacs users seem to think that every other > program can be a tool to Emacs, whilst using Emacs as a tool of a more > comprehensive environment is "blasphemy". - It ships by default with org-mode/calc/games and another thousand things that are not normally in one text editor, who told you it was shipping as an editor? - the time consumed is not yours anyway and for many people is very useful. The fact that all the other IDE stinks is of course a plus ;) - of course, switching back and forth on different programs is veeeeeery productive ;)