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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273849 Archived-At: Jim Porter writes: > > Furthermore, a wizard could be useful for upgrading Emacs. Whether a > new behavior is opt-in or opt-out, there are bound to be some that are > so significant that it makes sense to notify the user. However, this > would need some careful thought about how to be both 1) non-annoying > and 2) maintainable. Making it much harder to add a significant new > feature would be a bad move. There's already a command in Emacs for that: M-x customize-changed first asks for a version of Emacs (defaults to the previous one) and then shows you every customization group, user option or face that is new or its default has changed. So I think the wizard could reuse this command or simply advertise it.