From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: George Plymale II Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? 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[173.239.240.108]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 191sm160556itx.16.2018.02.01.15.02.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 01 Feb 2018 15:02:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87efm4mk2z.fsf@rub.de> (message from Stephen Berman on Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:16:52 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222381 Archived-At: > I don't know of an online resource with such details, but maybe it's > somewhere in the FSF website. There is a statement to that effect in > the assignment agreement itself, at least in the paper version I > received when I made my assignment many years ago: > FSF agrees to grant back to Developer, and does hereby grant, > non-exclusive, royalty-free and non-cancellable rights to use the Works > (i.e., Developer's changes and/or enhancements, not the Program that > they enhance), as Developer sees fit [...] Huh, well I wasn't aware of that and it sounds fine to me. Are you sure that there's no strings attached? > Your wording ("it's not right to force someone to give you the rights to > their code while in the same breath talking about freedom", "This kind > of stuff doesn't encourage any openness or 'hacker culture.'") suggests > a different understanding of the FSF policy than what the FSF itself > expounds, as exemplified by the passage I quoted above. Well, my understanding of the policy was that one's _contributions_ are owned by the FSF. I.e., that you have to sign waivers which tell the FSF, "Hey, I give up all rights to own any code that I give you guys in these certain projects." To me, that seems hypocritical and it seemed that indeed the actual FSF policy versus what the FSF itself expounds were in disagreement. But, maybe I'm incorrect about that if that above passage is really what it sounds like. - George Plymale II