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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:137804 Archived-At: Hi, So Apple rudely decided to remove the `ftp' command-line utility from the latest release of macOS: 10.13. They also removed `telnet' and some others, which is really unfortunate. For people who still need these tools (such as myself), the alternatives are sparse and, well... less than ideal. Those alternatives are as follows: first, one could just recompile and install the tools from Apple's open-source repository (https://opensource.apple.com/tarballs/ ). In fact, someone actually has made a script for installing `telnet' in this way on the homebrew package manager: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/telnet.rb However, doing this for all of the commands that are missing (including rsh, rcp, etc.) is impractical, annoying, and possibly brittle in the face of updates. So, another alternative is to take these tools from FreeBSD and make them readily available in package managers, but no one has done this yet. The final alternative (that I can think of) is the GNU inetutils, which is readily available in homebrew (although not fink or macports, as far as I can tell): https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/inetutils.rb Unfortunately, the GNU inetutils do not seem to work quite right on macOS 10.13. For example, `ftp' has some very odd problems with Dired. This is unfortunate for folks like me who use Dired as an FTP client. For more details on this issue, I reported a bug about it on bug-inetutils: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-inetutils/2017-09/msg00000.html I also (initially) posed a question about it on the Emacs Stackexchange forum: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/35747/10761. The reason that I'm posting here as well is because someone on Stackexchange mentioned that this may in fact be a bug with Emacs on its macOS build. I am not sure whether or not that is the case so here I am. Any help or advice on this issue is appreciated. Thanks.