From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: About Emacs Modernisation Project Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:44:05 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: References: <143c6d28-4423-4e43-9fc5-c0fb3340043b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291824106 3637 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 16:01:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:01:46 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 17:01:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQMSa-00070g-FN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:01:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34561 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQMSZ-0004ML-O0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:01:39 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 56 Original-X-Trace: individual.net 3sUUFS+sI4uN6NtFrguMqgZvY+2s9Ig4PxUZ4K7lub0wkBG9PZ Cancel-Lock: sha1:NzdkOTJkNTE1ZTdiYmJiNjBlYWE3NmU4MTE2Y2NkNzczOGY0YzExNg== sha1:R26usWYulVW2Afk4vHgxfSeW6OY= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.101 (Gnus v5.10.10) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178494 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75576 Archived-At: Bernardo Barros writes: > I was reading about this topic on the group homepage. One thing I > though was how Emacs is really great because of Emacs Lisp, since it > is a real programming language and an text editor at the same time. > But maybe one of the reasons that Emacs is not so popular nowadays is > that Lisp itself is also not so popular anymore either. Someone told > something about less than 1%. > > I have just checked the Pymacs project [http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ > PyMacs] and I though to myself: "oh, that's a nice one, I could use > Python instead of elisp to extend Emacs, I would like that a lot!". > I'm a young guy and I don't work with lisp languages at all except > when I use Emacs and Lilypond (a music notation program). > > But it seems to me that PyMacs is not a mature project yet, I would > like to see this as a major version of Emacs. Maybe this is the way > for Emacs 24 or 25? :-) Lisp is a great language to implement compilers and interpreters with, including of other, very different languages. If you would like to customize, or have your users customize, emacs in a different language than emacs lisp, then you can use or implement easily such a different language in emacs lisp. For example, there's ejacs, implementing javascript in emacs lisp. There's emacs-cl, an implementation of Common Lisp in emacs lisp. There's cl-python, an implementation of Python in Common Lisp, that you could run on emacs-cl. And several others I don't know or that I don't recall. It's true that in all these cases, these packages would need some love and further integration with emacs (the editor functions library) to make them really usable. It is true also that it would be much easier to import various things such as these other languages in emacs if it was written in Common Lisp, because there are more of these things written in Common Lisp than in emacs lisp (which indeed, sounds restricted to, well, emacs). Unfortunately, this is not the direction taken by emacs' authors; but there are emacsen written in Common Lisp (eg. Porable Hemlock and Climacs, amongsts several others). And don't be affraid of stacking VM over VM, we've got hundreds of core nowadays in GPU, tomorrow in CPU! :-) -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com