From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k0rx3792.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn1oxs7u.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0rv0wqc.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7my8fu5.fsf@gnu.org> <83czxm8c1t.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34363"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) To: 41129@debbugs.gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:NhmX8/7OFLwdSf6rXaNarGaI1t8= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 20:41:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w7J-0008qm-BD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:41:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53112 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w7I-0003MX-6t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:41:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59396) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w7C-0003MN-13 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w7B-0006NP-Px for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:41:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w7B-0004sY-OK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:41:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Howard Melman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41129 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.161203565018729 (code B ref -1); Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2021 19:40:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55843 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w6z-0004s1-Qk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:40:50 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w6x-0004rs-0S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:40:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59350) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w6w-0003LX-Pg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:40:46 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:33248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w6v-0006Fz-EM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:40:46 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l5w6t-0008K3-QU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:40:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:198963 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The bindings have nothing to do with bidirectional text. C- > and C- (and the corresponding M- bindings) have a meaning in > strict left-to-right text as well: they move by words in the > corresponding directions. >> Does outline-mode support right-to-left oriented outlines? >> Does org? > > Yes to both questions, but again: the issue at hand has nothing to do > with bidirectional editing. I mean yes, they do something expected in left-to-right text, but in strict left-to-right usage these bindings are unnecessary because of M-f and M-b. It's not like emacs enables cua-mode by default because other programs use those bindings and users expect it. Even the emacs manual says: "This command (‘right-word’) behaves like ‘M-f’, except it moves _backward_ by one word if the current paragraph is right-to-left. *Note Bidirectional Editing." >> Maybe these bindings could be in another minor-mode that >> could be enabled by those users that want them? >> outline-use-org-bindings-minor-mode. > > I think the idea is that many users want them. I agree. -- Howard