From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <24436.53239.437810.270641@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <24436.58187.698211.262192@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2kpf74o.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2609"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:dj41AXrju6TqikyVduMEE68EMUA= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 16:11:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kP4jW-0000Zq-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 16:11:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37402 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kP4jV-000167-HR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:11:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kP4j0-0000eW-UO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:10:54 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:57016 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kP4iz-0005Eh-Gv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:10:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kP4iv-000AUG-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 16:10:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/04 06:18:55 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257028 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I understand. However, suspending Emacs is a very infrequent > operation these days, what with most everyone working in a windowed > environment. And OTOH there are some very frequently-used commands > that can be conveniently bound to C-z; suspending is still possible > with C-x C-z. > > That said, I'm not necessarily arguing to unbind C-z or rebind it by > default, I'm just explaining why I did that myself, long time ago. I > assume there are others like me. FWIW I'm a GUI only user and long ago I added a bunch of frame commands to the ctl-x-5-map and did: (global-set-key (kbd "C-z") ctl-x-5-map) As a mac user I get the best of both worlds as my command key is super- so s-z still works as undo. -- Howard