From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Howard Melman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking the output of `C-h b' Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:51:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lf29xdkf.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16520"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:i16UX13uccdUm2eJIeIQDKFY0hA= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 31 21:52:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhHoQ-000468-22 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:52:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49422 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhHoP-00053W-2x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:52:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhHnU-0003Sv-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:51:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:36132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhHnT-0007pH-47 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:51:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhHnR-0002qq-7d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:51:17 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278338 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> Now, the current order is (strictly speaking) correct, because those key >> translations are real and they take precedence over the rest of the >> bindings. But the likelihood of a user wanting to inspect that stuff is >> pretty low, and it's just so... long. > > I usually say `C-h b C-s' to find what I'm looking for, so the length > isn't very important to me. But, on the other hand, it would save me > some typing if what I usually want is at the top. So in my use, it > doesn't matter too much if we have 50 lines or 5000 before the bits I > want. The thing that would really help me is having closer to zero. > > So I'd definitely appreciate the change you suggest. FWIW some completion packages define commands like - helm-descbinds - counsel-descbinds - embark-bindings which read bindings via completing-read and show the function and its description. It might be useful if emacs had such a command built in. FIlting via completion could be more useful then isearch. -- Howard