From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <5776B89F.60704@gmail.com> <83k2h5tbtv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467407548 23038 80.91.229.3 (1 Jul 2016 21:12:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:12:28 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 01 23:12:19 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJ5jU-000114-3a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 23:12:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJ5jS-0002Xy-UH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 17:12:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54405) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJ5jN-0002Xr-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 17:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJ5jI-0006r6-Se for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 17:12:08 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJ5jI-0006qv-LT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 17:12:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJ5jF-0000pL-K2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 23:12:01 +0200 Original-Received: from 85-238-80-138.pool.digikabel.hu ([85.238.80.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 23:12:01 +0200 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 85-238-80-138.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2016 23:12:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 85.238.80.138 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:47.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/47.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205057 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> writes: > > Besides, I think the fact that Richard was turned off by Org so early > in his attempts to learn it should tell us something important. > Richard cannot be accused of being an Emacs outsider, or of not being > capable of learning complex Emacs stuff. No one doubts his ability to learn complex stuff, but Richard often says he doesn't have time and I don't know how much time he spent on it, but Org is a complex package which cannot be appreciated by just giving it a quick glance. It's very much like Emacs which if a new a user gives it a quick try he will say it's strange looking editor with arcane keybindings and that's it. We know Emacs is much more than that, but in order to get a sense of that one has to spend some time with it, immersed in the environment.