From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Fabrice Popineau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <878ty4rlf8.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466281982 18890 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2016 20:33:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:33:02 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 22:32:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMvF-0005Y4-1H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:32:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36345 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMvB-0005Bt-1c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:32:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53422) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMu1-0004ua-Sf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:31:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMtw-0000cR-NY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:31:35 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMtw-0000cF-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMtt-0004iZ-K0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:31:29 +0200 Original-Received: from 131.233.29.93.rev.sfr.net ([93.29.233.131]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:31:29 +0200 Original-Received: from fabrice.popineau by 131.233.29.93.rev.sfr.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:31:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 93.29.233.131 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/51.0.2704.84 Safari/537.36) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204492 Archived-At: Richard Stallman gnu.org> writes: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Another important reason is that Org is kind of "the Emacs of Emacs". > > Meaning a big homogenized, generalized environment, where you can put > > "all your stuff", > > The problem is that this walls off sub-Org facilities from the rest of > Emacs. They depend on org and are not usable on their own. > Org mode is built around '.org' files (and a 'philosophy'). Albeit they are text files, they have some syntax and semantics provided by the associated mode. Not everyone will adhere to that. Somehow, you could say the same from the VI emulation modes under Emacs. There is a whole universe around Evil under Emacs : 52 packages on MELPA. This is the problem with a programmable editor: people start to program it and they use it because they can program it :-) Regards, Fabrice