From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <56E0C034.20107@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457589307 22787 80.91.229.3 (10 Mar 2016 05:55:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:55:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 06:54:52 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adtYd-0006wu-5O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:54:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46391 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adtYc-0002tj-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:54:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59433) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adtYZ-0002tY-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:54:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adtYV-0001kP-Qs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:54:42 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adtYV-0001kK-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:54:39 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adtYR-0006kw-8A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:54:35 +0100 Original-Received: from 80-95-82-93.pool.digikabel.hu ([80.95.82.93]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:54:35 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 80-95-82-93.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 06:54:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 80.95.82.93 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:44.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/44.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201346 Archived-At: Evgeny Panasyuk gmail.com> writes: > > 10.03.2016 0:32, Tim Cross : > > Emacs has an audience/user base, but to believe that equals the set of > > all people who use editors is a mistake. Some people just want a very > > simple editor which is easy to use and only does basic editing - there > > are plenty of these editors. > > IMO larger user base, including "casual" users, would not harm Emacs. > Indeed. Therefore the tutorial for new users should emphasize features which are better in emacs compared to other tools. C-p and co. are not better, they are just different and not very ergonomical either.