From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why =?utf-8?b?aW5mbwltdXN0?= die Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21657.38692.813089.642641@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0j4tqo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y4puad75.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419600656 4234 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2014 13:30:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:30:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 26 14:30:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4Uyc-0006qs-6e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:30:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53449 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4Uyb-000477-Fd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 08:30:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54689) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4UyK-00046y-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 08:30:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4UyG-0003Gu-1i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 08:30:28 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:53784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4UyF-0003Gn-RO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 08:30:23 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4UyE-0006h0-Fi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:30:22 +0100 Original-Received: from 84-236-17-83.pool.digikabel.hu ([84.236.17.83]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:30:22 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 84-236-17-83.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:30:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 84.236.17.83 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180685 Archived-At: David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > > Google substitutes better quality with graceful failure based on > heuristics. That works for some things better than others. It > certainly will not help much replacing a "concept index" since the whole > point of a concept index is _not_ to be based on exact keywords. > Which is also true for Google, beacuse it automatically finds alternate keywords (e.g. close file -> kill buffer) and it does it better than any manually compiled index, because it takes into account lots more variations. I think the main point is what Stephen brough up earlier, that trying to add all variations to the index is a waste of time, because new users can (and do) use Google to find things, while experienced users know where to look in the manual, and they can also use Google of course. So the effort of expanding the index to contain more variation of terminology is much better spent on improving other areas of Emacs instead.