From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why =?utf-8?b?aW5mbwltdXN0?= die Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <833887r8qn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419264283 19492 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2014 16:04:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:04:43 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 22 17:04:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y35TI-0005gM-Tl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:04:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41065 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y35TI-000195-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:04:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y35Sz-00018x-AZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:04:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y35St-0001PY-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:04:17 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y35St-0001PU-7E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:04:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y35Sq-0005JC-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:04:08 +0100 Original-Received: from 85-238-80-233.pool.digikabel.hu ([85.238.80.233]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:04:08 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 85-238-80-233.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:04:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 85.238.80.233 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180511 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> writes: > > And if you do know, how is this different from going to the same > manual and using the text search (the 's' command) there? It isn't. > The main difference is google finds alternative phrases too. E.g. suppose you want to read about closing buffers. You try i and it has no completion for closing buffer. If you try to search for "close buffer" in the emacs manual then no matches come up. (Note I tried it on 24.1, a newer emacs might give better results.) The reason for this is emacs calls it killing a buffer. But the feature is generally called closing in other apps (close window, close file, etc.), so a new user probably uses this for searching. So in order to find something in info you often need to know the term emacs uses for it. Info is a great reference, becase it is quick to look up something when you already know the term. But if you have only a vague idea then it may not be so easy to find what you are looking for. With google on the other hand if you search for "emacs close buffer" (no quotes) then kill buffer is the top result. You can also search for "emacs close file", because a new user may be used to this term (close file) from other apps and google gives useful results for this too. You can add these alternatives to the index, but in practice you can't compete with google with a manually compiled index, because you can add just so many alternatives, while google does the same mechanically and intelligently (stemming, thesaurus, etc.), so it will always have an advantage. The most useful solution could be submitting a search to google when info gives no results and if there is a manual hit in the search results then determine the info page from the manual link and show the page info. But I understand it won't happen, because it's SaaS.