From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418048559 13862 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 14:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:22:39 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 15:22:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxzCq-00064q-9V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:22:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34299 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxzCp-0004xU-Qk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:22:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxzCX-0004xA-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:22:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxzCQ-0000q9-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:22:13 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxzCQ-0000pv-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 09:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxzCO-0005qA-J7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:22:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 94-21-170-33.pool.digikabel.hu ([94.21.170.33]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:22:04 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 94-21-170-33.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:22:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.21.170.33 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179389 Archived-At: Filipp Gunbin fastmail.fm> writes: > > You write about a "pre-Web mindset". But what is a proper "Web-midset", > then? I see my colleagues googling nearly everything while they can > access most of it locally (like Javadocs - I'm a Java developer). I often use google to lookup something which I also have locally,because usually it is much faster. Even for emacs docs. Google does word stemming and alternatives, so if you search for something related "modification" then google also finds matches with "changing", "altering", etc. So if you don't know the exact wording of what you are looking for then google is faster most of the time. Info, for example, cannot do this, so it is faster only if you already know what you are looking for, you know the exact term, etc. In other cases, when looking up something new and unfamiliar in the docs, using Google is usually more efficient. > And this largely reminds me the discussion "make CUA the default because > it will attract new users familiar with Word/Notepad/etc.). It's not about attracting, it's about eliminating arbitrary barriers of entry. When popular systems use CUA keys then it is a barrier for new users if they have to relearn these keys just for emacs. For this reason it would make sense to make CUA keys the default, and provide a compatibility switch for Emacs old timers who are used to the current bindings.