From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as WM Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87vbprtbp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87iolqr05k.wl%andres.ramirez@kipuamutay.com> <83mwb1dfmg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bnrha757.wl%andres.ramirez@kipuamutay.com> <87siktp9x3.fsf@gmail.com> <83egwdci46.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2bwcyu7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408461767 17050 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2014 15:22:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 19 17:22:40 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlFA-0004TO-0K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:22:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51647 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlF9-0001LA-Il for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlF1-0001Kv-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:22:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlEt-00076q-QT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:22:31 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:53737) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlEt-00076V-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlEk-0004F5-Nq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:22:14 +0200 Original-Received: from 94-21-19-9.pool.digikabel.hu ([94.21.19.9]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:22:14 +0200 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 94-21-19-9.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:22:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.21.19.9 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173767 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> writes: > > So I think users prefer Office because it has capabilities that Emacs > doesn't, and not because its "point and click" interface is easier > than that of Emacs. > On Windows people prefer office also because it looks and behaves as any other application. So they prefer familiarity too and being familiar is also a big part of simplicity and ease of use. Emacs looks completely alien on Windows and its behavior is also alien. The most obvious example is copy/paste which is Ctrl-C/V on windows while emacs uses something else. There was a discussion about making Ctrl-C/V the default a while ago, but it was rejected because it goes against emacs standards. It does, but most users won't relearn basic keys just to use emacs which has no obvious advantages for them which would be worth it. WYSIWYG alone won't gain many new users while emacs stays so different in other UI points.