From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388850310 10880 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 15:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:45:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 16:45:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzTPV-00036z-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:45:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54891 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzTPV-00033j-EE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzTPL-0002zj-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:45:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzTPD-0003sT-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:45:03 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:43341) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzTPD-0003sK-Kh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:44:55 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzTPB-0002Wa-Kr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:44:53 +0100 Original-Received: from 94-21-240-107.pool.digikabel.hu ([94.21.240.107]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:44:53 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 94-21-240-107.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:44:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 13 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.21.240.107 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.16) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167295 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman gmail.com> writes: > > It is very different in one way. An editor is a tool you start > with. It should be convenient for everyone. Beginners may face > a high complexity and different terms (and keyboard shortcuts) > for rather familiar commands makes it much more difficult.The > difference might seem small, but since it raises complexity for > beginners it waists time for them. Kill/yank comes to mind as obvious example. The copy/cut/paste terminology is pretty much standard, so the various kill/yank operations (kill-region, copy-region-as-kill, etc.) should be mapped to these terms.