From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finding packages to enable by default Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <8761ra7uq3.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386090378 31134 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2013 17:06:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 18:06:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VntQV-0003cG-QN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:06:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43928 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VntQV-0006Yn-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:06:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VntQN-0006WS-Bz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:06:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VntQH-0004lR-Pt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:06:15 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VntQH-0004lN-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:06:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VntQG-0003UD-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:06:08 +0100 Original-Received: from 94-21-76-206.pool.digikabel.hu ([94.21.76.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:06:08 +0100 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 94-21-76-206.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 18:06:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 57 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.21.76.206 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.16) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166043 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > > Maybe we should look at it the other way: what do we want to use this for? > IIUC the idea was to try and decide what features to enable by default. > So, how can we recognize a "feature to enable"? > Major modes associated to file names don't really fit our needs, > for example. Applications like Gnus, Ediff, or Org don't either. We have the list of features enabled in user configs compiled from the bug reports. The ideas was to filter out all the default/supporting features from this list and then we're left with features which can be enabled. I did some manual filtering as a test and here are some of the top packages which remained: (ido . 137) (uniquify . 136) (imenu . 114) (eldoc . 113) (ispell . 107) (flyspell . 91) (recentf . 90) (saveplace . 77) (yasnippet . 75) (windmove . 70) (auto-complete . 66) (delsel . 64) (paredit . 49) (iswitchb . 46) (savehist . 43) (linum . 38) (icomplete . 34) (winner . 34) (hippie-exp . 32) (ibuffer . 29) ... As you can see uniqify is there. Ido is at the top (iswitchb is also here) and ido/isiwtchb would really make a much better first impression for new users than the default very barebone buffer switching. recentf/saveplace/savehist are all great improvements. They could be enabled by default. winner/windmove suggest the default window movement is not very convenient. Of course, this package measurement should be repeated with representative data, but even with the data acquired from bug reports it gives some ideas for packages which could be enabled by default.