From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <9809cd1a-9086-4022-af79-732fb6149f20@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com> <87mx3vzqd7.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87ipejzjce.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340370635 2468 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2012 13:10:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:10:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 15:10:31 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3d4-0007xa-Ca for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:10:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44409 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3d4-0001Du-5W for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:10:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3cu-0001Df-Bi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:10:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3cp-00047k-Gr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:36604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3cp-00046a-9u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Si3cg-0007Ox-BG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:10:02 +0200 Original-Received: from 178-164-187-159.pool.digikabel.hu ([178.164.187.159]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:10:02 +0200 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 178-164-187-159.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:10:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 178.164.187.159 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.10.289 Version/12.00) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85371 Archived-At: Jeremiah Dodds gmail.com> writes: > > No, why should Emacs and users and developers of Emacs be concerned with > increasing the interest in Emacs? It's already a name that practically > everyone who writes software has heard of, and the type of people that > like it stick with it. > The problem is the decreasing interest indicates that emacs is a less useful tool in some areas and people choose the better tool available. People don't necessarily choose other tools, becasue they are nice and shiny. I heard lots of time from people that they would use Emacs if it supported Java development as well as Eclipse. If I had to do Android development then I'd also choose Eclipse, because the support it gives for developing with big Java libraries is such a big advantage that Emacs' superior text editing cannot compensate. I've been using Emacs for more than 15 years, but I don't use it religiously, I use it if it is best tool for the task. One can say emacs is still useful for developing in C and stuff and it's true, but I'd like to use it for Android and other development, and that's why the decreasing interest is important, because it says Emacs lags behind the competition in important areas. If this lagging behind is not addressed then Emacs will become more and more a niche tool and less of a generally useful and capable tool which can be efficienly used for most kinds of tasks.