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From: Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:09:48 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <loom.20120622T145654-165@post.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87ipejzjce.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me

Jeremiah Dodds <jeremiah.dodds <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> No, why should Emacs and users and developers of Emacs be concerned with
> increasing the interest in Emacs? It's already a name that practically
> everyone who writes software has heard of, and the type of people that
> like it stick with it.
> 

The problem is the decreasing interest indicates that emacs is a
less useful tool in some areas and people choose the better tool
available. People don't necessarily choose other tools, becasue
they are nice and shiny. I heard lots of time from people that
they would use Emacs if it supported Java development as well as
Eclipse.

If I had to do Android development then I'd also choose Eclipse,
because the support it gives for developing with big Java
libraries is such a big advantage that Emacs' superior text editing
cannot compensate. I've been using Emacs for more than 15 years,
but I don't use it religiously, I use it if it is best tool for
the task.

One can say emacs is still useful for developing in C and stuff
and it's true, but I'd like to use it for Android and other
development, and that's why the decreasing interest is
important, because it says Emacs lags behind the competition in
important areas.

If this lagging behind is not addressed then Emacs will become
more and more a niche tool and less of a generally useful and
capable tool which can be efficienly used for most kinds of
tasks.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-22 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-06-18  3:22 ` Emacs users a dying breed? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18  9:32   ` djc
2012-06-18 10:25     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 17:09     ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-21 15:27 ` rusi
2012-06-22  6:19   ` Tom
2012-06-22  8:45     ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22  9:40       ` Tom
2012-06-22 11:07         ` Bastien
2012-06-22 11:16           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 23:19             ` James Freer
2012-06-25  7:23               ` give emacs --daemon / emacsclient a try (was: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?) Gregor Zattler
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3407.1340581002.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  2:58               ` Emacs for writers (was " rusi
2012-06-25  9:38                 ` James Freer
2012-06-26 21:47                   ` James Freer
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3534.1340747277.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27  3:41                     ` rusi
2012-06-22 13:13           ` Emacs users a dying breed? Tom
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3233.1340370922.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 14:12             ` Jay Belanger
2012-06-22 15:02               ` Tom
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3245.1340377350.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 18:25                 ` John Bokma
2012-06-22 11:17         ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22 12:03           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 12:21             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-22 13:04               ` Jonathan Groll
2012-06-23 11:33                 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:05                   ` Teemu Likonen
2012-06-23 12:35                     ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-23 13:53                       ` S Boucher
2012-06-23 12:37                     ` suvayu ali
2012-06-25 19:00                   ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-23 14:02               ` S Boucher
2012-06-22 12:46             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-22 13:27               ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 13:45               ` Doug Lewan
2012-06-22 13:09           ` Tom [this message]
2012-07-02 11:36             ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2012-06-22 15:08 ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) rusi
2012-06-22 15:26   ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-23  2:28     ` rusi
2012-06-23  9:47       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-22 16:41   ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Drew Adams
2012-06-22 18:01     ` Bastien
2012-06-23 20:04       ` Tom
2012-06-24 11:38         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-06-24 14:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25 19:23           ` Ludwig, Mark
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3361.1340537904.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 13:52           ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3330.1340481863.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-23 23:49         ` Dan Espen
2012-06-24  1:24           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-24  2:39           ` ken
2012-06-25 18:02             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26  3:03               ` becoming a developer [was: Re: Issues with emacs] ken
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2012-06-26  3:23                 ` rusi
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     [not found]                     ` <CAJ+Teof7T6qXdztq_Pjh+S8gVXQV-ToYJ6EQrPNYQAumn_aDOA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-06-27 13:38                       ` antoine no
2012-06-27 17:44                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2012-06-26 12:29                 ` becoming a lisp developer Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:36                   ` ken
2012-06-27 16:12                     ` PJ Weisberg
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2012-06-27 16:09                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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2012-06-25 18:40               ` Issues with emacs notbob
2012-06-25 19:05                 ` Glyn Millington
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2012-06-24  6:39             ` rusi
2012-06-24  7:01               ` Corentin Henry
2012-06-24  7:55                 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 17:38                     ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 18:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3355.1340524541.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:17                   ` notbob
2012-06-24 13:24                     ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 14:42                       ` Yuri Khan
2012-06-24 15:08                       ` Gregory Benjamin
2012-06-25 19:26                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 16:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-25 19:25                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 13:36                     ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.3362.1340544276.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 14:03                       ` notbob
2012-06-24 16:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 10:14               ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 14:18                 ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 15:41                   ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 16:07                     ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 16:48                       ` Rainer M Krug
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3354.1340521292.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:15                 ` notbob
2012-06-24 14:02               ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25  3:54               ` ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3424.1340596458.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  5:51                 ` rusi
2012-06-25  7:45                   ` Helmut Eller
2012-06-25  8:57                     ` Tom
2012-06-25 21:24                       ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-26  5:50                         ` Tom
2012-06-26 20:08                           ` Jeremiah Dodds
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3486.1340689846.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 13:29                           ` notbob
2012-06-26 17:47                             ` Dustin Hemmerling
2012-06-26 18:13                             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26 18:32                             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-28 12:14                               ` Tom
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3520.1340735564.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 19:28                               ` notbob
2012-06-26 19:49                                 ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-06-26 19:52                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:49                                   ` PJ Weisberg
2012-06-28  2:09                                     ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.3523.1340740164.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 20:13                                   ` notbob
2012-06-26 23:57                             ` John Wiegley
2012-06-27  9:23                               ` temacs Jambunathan K
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-06-28  2:40                                   ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-06-28  8:49                                     ` temacs Bastien
2012-06-29 19:37                                       ` temacs Ken Goldman
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.3732.1340998682.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-30  3:51                                         ` temacs rusi
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs suvayu ali
2012-06-27 16:24                                   ` temacs Alp Aker
2012-06-27 19:57                                     ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-07-05  4:14                                 ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-05 12:46                                   ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-07 16:51                                     ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-07 17:20                                       ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-27 15:48                             ` Issues with emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-06-26  3:08                     ` rusi
2012-06-26  8:35                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-27  5:54                   ` MBR
2012-06-26 18:03             ` Bug Dout
2012-06-25  2:43       ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Ugly Sean
2012-06-22 13:15 Emacs users a dying breed? Susan Cragin
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2012-06-18 10:53 Susan Cragin
2012-06-18 14:51 ` suvayu ali
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2012-06-18 18:13   ` jidanni
2012-06-18 18:53     ` Ugly Sean
2012-06-19 14:03       ` Philipp Haselwarter
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2012-06-19 14:31         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-19 16:17           ` notbob
2012-06-19 20:01             ` Joe Corneli
2012-06-18 19:05   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18  2:32 S Boucher
2012-06-17 23:27 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-18  2:35 ` Henri-Paul Indiogine
2012-06-18  2:39   ` Jai Dayal
2012-06-18  4:05 ` Laurent Hoeltgen
     [not found] ` <mailman.2955.1339990046.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-18  4:22   ` Dan Espen
2012-06-18  4:27     ` Henri-Paul Indiogine
2012-06-18 12:25     ` notbob
2012-06-18 19:03       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 19:25         ` notbob
2012-06-21 19:34           ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3203.1340307300.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22  3:19             ` rusi
2012-06-23 22:10             ` notbob
2012-06-24  0:16               ` Dan Espen
2012-06-21  5:23         ` Dvorak Hemialgia
2012-06-18 11:54 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-18 12:28   ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-18 17:13 ` Sivaram Neelakantan

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