From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Kickstarter for Emacs Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87wr5dfm9v.fsf@gnu.org> <87398118ys.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87liltyv1e.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1334760656 17484 80.91.229.3 (18 Apr 2012 14:50:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:50:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 18 16:50:52 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWDS-00006c-M3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:50:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWDS-0001de-3k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56001) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWDM-0001cy-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:50:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWDD-0007G2-ED for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:50:36 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWDD-0007FP-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:50:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SKWDB-0008Hw-2D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:50:25 +0200 Original-Received: from 78-131-103-213.pool.hdsnet.hu ([78.131.103.213]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:50:24 +0200 Original-Received: from adatgyujto by 78-131-103-213.pool.hdsnet.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:50:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 78.131.103.213 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.10.229 Version/11.62) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149762 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn member.fsf.org> writes: > > Not sure. Just having Eclipse installed doesn't bother me too much. You may be right. It's possible people would willingly fund an implementation which aims to polish the emacs eclim interface. Memory/CPU is cheap these days after all as you also said. > > Sure, but even with full-time initial development and crowdfunding, I > think you underestimate the effort needed for catching up on Eclipse's > Java support. I didn't mean a full catch up in one jump. The first such project could include only intelligent code completion and such. Refactoring and such could be done later. And there is CEDET/Semantic. An Emacs implementation could be built on these foundation. There is no need to start everything from scratch. But in the end Eclim may prove be the best way to do it. Why reimplement everything if the bulk of the job is done already? I tried Eclim once and it worked quite well, only it was unpolished, so if the interface is polished nicely then it can be a viable alternative of using Eclipse.