From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279896120 15826 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 14:42:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 16:41:58 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcJRl-0004lx-R7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:41:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcJRk-0007mF-6N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:41:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41825 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcJRe-0007l1-L1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcJRd-0007x2-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:41:50 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:39419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcJRd-0007wb-47 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:41:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcJRb-0004fO-5U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:41:47 +0200 Original-Received: from 94-21-239-69.pool.digikabel.hu ([94.21.239.69]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:41:47 +0200 Original-Received: from levelhalom by 94-21-239-69.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:41:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.21.239.69 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.60) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127699 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes: > > > That's why CUA-style editing should be made the consistent default, so Emacs > > works like all other modern application on KDE/Gnome/Windows, etc. and the > > current behavior should be provided as a compatibility mode for those who > > are accustomed to the old behavior. > > I might agree. But as long as noone submits actual code to do that, it > won't happen. > Those against the idea say the main problem with CUA mode is it hijacks C-c and C-x which are the standard bindings in current Emacs and they are hardwired in lots of places. Let's say the newbie user who wants to copy with C-c/C-x/C-v don't want to use the bindings C-w and C-y. Is it technically possible to implement a mode which binds copy to C-c, cut to C-x, but before that it rebinds all C-x bindings to C-w and C-c bindings to C-y? It should do it dynamically, of course, so when a new buffer is opened with new bindings or a new minor mode is activated it should change the bindings on the fly. This way the newbie could also have a standard and consistent set of bindings, only the prefix keys would be different in newbie mode and veteran mode.