From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbk4i1m4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpacdpwl.fsf@telefonica.net> <878w5fizcb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4C3C553D.9090203@siege-engine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279024945 3977 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 12:42:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:42:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 14:42:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeoZ-0001Uf-3A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:42:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37455 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYeoY-0002K9-Ik for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38206 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYeoR-0002HT-RF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeoL-0000QI-Qv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:15 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:43343) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeoL-0000QA-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:42:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeoK-0001KE-3Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:42:08 +0200 Original-Received: from 94-21-154-78.pool.digikabel.hu ([94.21.154.78]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:42:08 +0200 Original-Received: from levelhalom by 94-21-154-78.pool.digikabel.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:42:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.21.154.78 (Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.60) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127171 Archived-At: Eric M. Ludlam siege-engine.com> writes: > > CEDET is also now a part of Emacs. Why not configure CEDET to be on, > use it for a while, and instead of turning it off because of some glitch > you don't like, fix the little things that confused you or were hard. > That would take less time than reading this thread. > That would be a step in the right direction. Lots of stuff should be preconfigured and made as newbie friendly as possible to attract more users (and consequently more developers). Here's a video demo of one of the competitors language support to which new users compare their first Emacs experience: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/training/demos.html Even if this level of integration is not attainable given the current developer resources, something like this should be offered and configured by default, so the user has the feeling he gets at least a partially comparable feature in the default install.