From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Spiro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <005801c93ec3$d5ab54d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225840263 10229 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 23:11:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:11:03 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 05 00:12:06 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxV48-0001X5-8Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:12:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57577 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxV30-0001Vz-Sy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:10:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxV2x-0001Vu-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:10:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxV2v-0001VD-Jw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:10:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39308 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxV2v-0001VA-GP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:10:49 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:33022 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxV2v-0000Rb-C7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:10:49 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KxV2p-0007QK-Nv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:10:44 +0000 Original-Received: from CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([72.138.124.65]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:10:43 +0000 Original-Received: from jasonspiro4 by CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:10:43 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 72.138.124.65 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-2)) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105388 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Drew Adams oracle.com> wrote: > > > Overview > > Web Tour > > Tutorial > > FAQ > > What's New > > Known Problems > > Looks good to me. * I like the idea of removing the word "Emacs" from the beginning of the five menu items Drew mentioned. * I don't like the idea of moving the tour into a submenu. It is one of the most important help items for newbies, perhaps more important than the manual. I suspect that putting the tour in a submenu will make less users click on it. What is the disadvantage of just leaving the Help menu long? * I don't like the World Wide Web. If I were an Emacs newbie, I would not click "Web Tour". I would click "Tutorial" instead. So I would miss out on the tour. I Is there any way for us to tell Help menu viewers that the tour describes a much wider variety of useful features for programmers and others, but the tutorial covers only text editing basics? Maybe name the menu items "Tutorial (for non-programmers only)" and "Web Tour (for everyone)"?