From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Spiro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225831652 11048 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 20:47:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:47:32 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 21:48:33 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxSpC-000123-60 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:48:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58928 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxSo5-0008Fc-3y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:47:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxSnM-0007or-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxSnK-0007nb-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:46:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45256 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxSnK-0007nV-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:33318 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxSnK-0006dH-EB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KxSnH-0001sS-ET for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:46:31 +0000 Original-Received: from CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([72.138.124.65]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:46:31 +0000 Original-Received: from jasonspiro4 by CPE000d8824ef4e-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:46:31 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 72.138.124.65 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816 Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-2)) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105359 Archived-At: Juri Linkov jurta.org> wrote: > > > So name the menu item this: "Emacs Guided Tour (web page)". > > Yes, it is important to add such a notice, otherwise running a browser > would a bad surprise for users. > > Another question is where to put such a menu item. Help menus are > already overcrowded. So maybe to add it to some Help submenu. No. I think the tour is much more important than the tutorial. (The tutorial is mostly for people who want to learn to use Emacs without a mouse. The tour is for people who want to learn to use Emacs's useful features, like Font Lock mode and M-x compile.) So you should rather remove the tutorial to some submenu. Or you should remove items from the menu, maybe "Psychotherapist" or "Getting New Versions". > Good idea. We now have a new nice Doc-View mode that can display > PDF files. I have never tried Doc-View mode. Is it as good as most other PDF viewers?