From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gianluca Della Vedova Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199454637 13941 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2008 13:50:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:50:37 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 04 14:50:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JAmwh-0003rm-Dn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:50:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAmwL-0007ei-Cx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:50:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAmwH-0007cy-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:50:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAmwG-0007Zg-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:50:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAmwG-0007ZR-3o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:50:20 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JAmwF-0004TX-GU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JAmvy-0002m3-Qr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:50:16 +0000 Original-Received: from host126-11-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it ([82.58.11.126]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: from gianluca.dellavedova by host126-11-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:50:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 82.58.11.126 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; it; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071204 Ubuntu/7.10 (gutsy) Firefox/2.0.0.11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86065 Archived-At: Trey Jackson gmail.com> writes: > Goal: Make changes in the way Emacs is developed in order to > 1) enable more responsive Emacs development/releases > 2) make Emacs development (and by extension Emacs) more attractive to new folks > IMHO the single most important step for achieving (2) is switching to a modern bug tracker. I believe I am representative of a large set of Emacs users that are willing to fill in bug reports and maybe send documentation and/or trivial patches, but I find the current state too cumbersome and the environment might be intimidating sometimes. Moreover a real bug tracker gives a clear (to outsiders like me) idea of which bugs could be fixed also by newcomers, hence easing their entrance into the Emacs development world. At http://amortizedanalysis.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/emacs-development/ I have written a more detailed (and more boring) article on some possible improvements (IMHO). Hope to help, -- Gianluca