From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: 30ish emacs user Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How old are Emacs users? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177396957 3559 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2007 06:42:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:42:37 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 08:42:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HgEjR-0003EF-Fd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:42:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgEov-0001wB-3v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgEoh-0001u7-9P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:47:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HgEof-0001rZ-Rh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgEof-0001rQ-Fq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:47:57 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HgEjA-0007cc-CC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HgEiz-0001zL-IF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:42:05 +0200 Original-Received: from 194.88.55.211 ([194.88.55.211]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:42:05 +0200 Original-Received: from kalap.kabat by 194.88.55.211 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:42:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 194.88.55.211 (Opera/9.20 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43044 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> writes: > > ??? What's not graphical about Emacs? Are you familiar with Speedbar, > Customize, and gdb-ui, to name just a few very graphical features? > Modern Emacs has menus, scroll bars, tool-bar buttons, tooltips > (a.k.a. balloon help), and all the other attributes of a GUI program. > I meant the API is mostly character based. I can insert images of course, but I cannot draw random pixel lines across the buffer right? There is no complete pixel-level control of buffer presentation. I cannot toggle single pixels on the screen, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't seen code collapsing displayed like this in emacs: http://www.dream-com.com/images/editor/codecollapse.bmp It can probably be emulated with images of course to an extent, but it's not the same as simply drawing a vertical pixel line. That's what I mean by a "graphical" editor. Nevertheless, I use emacs. :)