From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Avoiding loading cc-langs Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20140831212355.GA4401@acm.acm> <20140906101233.GA3330@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410191196 31202 80.91.229.3 (8 Sep 2014 15:46:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Alan Mackenzie , Martin Stjernholm , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 08 17:46:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XR19B-0002c6-8A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 17:46:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44323 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XR19A-0000l0-TH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:46:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43038) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XR194-0000jt-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:46:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XR18z-0007rt-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:46:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41870) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XR18z-0007rp-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:46:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XR18z-0003Ff-2B; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:46:17 -0400 X-Spook: SAFE Operation Iraqi Freedom Ft. Knox Blowfish offensive X-Ran: #d;:nT90fNF&M"0pT&pr:qatmwz-wGp;n5`@PL5Ze8Q*QQhg-8&fjfV$t|^oWS/w9)hr%U X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:51:04 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174090 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: >> run-time was placed in the separate file cc-langs.el, so as not to >> burden the run-time store occupancy needlessly. > > Actually, a lot of what's in cc-langs.el *is* needed at run-time And as reported in http://debbugs.gnu.org/17463, in semi-recent Emacs, cc-langs gets loaded at runtime anyway. The whole thing is so complex that no-one shows any signs of figuring out why; can't say I blame them. I really hope this can be simplified.