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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org
Subject: bug#16491: 24.3.50; ?REGRESSION: `defadvice' doc removed from Elisp manual
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 16:58:27 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lbh07j$cl4$1@colin.muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1393b6a-e597-427e-a7c5-ca309ee6dbc0@default>

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> Elisp manual node `Advising Emacs Lisp Functions' has been rewritten to
> include the new `add-function' stuff.  It is fine to document that new
> feature.

> What's not fine is to simply remove all of the doc about the traditional
> `defadvice' advice system.  Even if that feature is to be deprecated,
> its doc should remain until it is desupported.  If this removal is not
> a temporary oversight (mistake) then it is quite misguided.  It hurts
> Emacs users.

+1.  defadvice will remain absolutely necessary for Emacs hackers
maintaining packages with the exception of those who are only targetting
recent GNU Emacsen.

> The Elisp manual should continue to be usable to help users code
> `defadvice' advice, in addition to `add-function' advice.  As one use
> case, some users will use Emacs 24.4 to write or maintain code for
> older or multiple Emacs versions.

Not a few users, either.  Without documentation, defadvice is unusable and
packages using it are unmaintainable.  The doc string of defadvice, by
itself, is inadequate; for example, it doesn't say anything about ad-do-it.

Besides, there are 34 files in .../lisp containing the string "defadvice".
This feature is clearly widely used, even in the Emacs sources.

> Normally there is a reasonably long transition period before a feature,
> especially a major feature such as `defadvice', is desupported.  And
> until desupport, the deprecated feature remains SUPPORTED - in
> particular, by continuing to provide users with its reference doc.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).






  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-19 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.12294.1390113984.10748.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-01-19  6:45 ` bug#16491: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `defadvice' doc removed from Elisp manual Drew Adams
2014-01-19 16:58   ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2014-01-19 20:40     ` bug#16491: 24.3.50; ?REGRESSION: " Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 22:32       ` Drew Adams
2014-01-20  2:31         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-22 22:11           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-01-22 22:20             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-22 22:42               ` Drew Adams

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