From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Allen S. Rout" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:38:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87iovo4caz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <878uvmoypl.fsf@dod.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387219124 28315 80.91.229.3 (16 Dec 2013 18:38:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 16 19:38:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsd44-00018V-TW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:38:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57666 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsd44-0003sd-Ht for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:38:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsd3w-0003sR-98 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:38:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsd3q-0006oN-8U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:38:40 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsd3q-0006oG-12 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsd3n-0000wD-V8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:38:31 +0100 Original-Received: from n128-227-38-221.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.38.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:38:31 +0100 Original-Received: from asr by n128-227-38-221.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:38:31 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-38-221.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166500 Archived-At: On 12/16/2013 12:19 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > I think the problem is that it is trying to treat the file as an > outline. However, this is not an outline. It is a document with a > title and some lists of bullet points. > It is a structured document. Some people would choose to _view_ it as an outline. Others would choose to view as a block of pretty text, and yet others would choose to view as a pile of plaintext with markup displayed verbatim instead of interpreted. So to attract "the type of users we're discussing here", the correct paint job on the Org toolset would be org-mode and a stylized set of startup variables, which defaulted to an expanded, pretty-printed display. Does that sound reasonable? Most importantly, it is an error to decide that this new use for the org toolset is, all of a sudden, The Correct Interpretation Of Documents. If we're going to deploy a swiss-army chainsaw for this, we've got the "blind men and the elephant" problem writ pretty large. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant - Allen S. Rout - The Blind Men and the Chainsaw.... Hmmm.