From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Allen S. Rout" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87iovo4caz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <877gc14vzs.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <878uwhxnqe.fsf@informatimago.com> <83txf4cw9z.fsf@gnu.org> <416D7143-AE4A-45FF-A3A3-AA208D268D97@informatimago.com> <83hab4ce1o.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbzkvyiz.fsf@informatimago.com> <83bo1bcysn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385412196 12420 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2013 20:43:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:43:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 25 21:43:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl304-0003Ox-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:43:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54943 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl304-0000VN-2i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:43:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl2zu-0000V4-My for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:43:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl2zn-0000zE-D1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl2zn-0000z5-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:43:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl2zl-0003Gm-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:43:01 +0100 Original-Received: from n128-227-106-74.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.106.74]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:43:01 +0100 Original-Received: from asr by n128-227-106-74.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:43:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-106-74.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <83bo1bcysn.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165724 Archived-At: On 11/23/2013 03:22 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The layout depends on the medium in very minor ways, as long as we are > talking about the "usual" page sizes. If what you have in mind is A3 > paper or greeting cards, then the layout is indeed greatly affected, > but that's taking the issue to its extreme. > > IOW, WYSIWYG is much more than just layout. > I think this is a critical point, and I think that Eli is deeply incorrect here. WYSIWYG is -only- about layout, for the overwhelming majority of its users. I think that's why many of us aren't so fond of it. There is no distinction between letter and greeting cards which is not present in the comparison between letter and letter-with-really-small-margins. Line breaks, kerning, justification details... all of this is relevant if we actually want WYSIWYG. Maybe we could aim for a different target? What You See Is Pretty Close? - Allen S. Rout