From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:02:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384851792 17766 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2013 09:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:03:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 19 10:03:17 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VihDF-0002P2-F7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:03:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47871 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VihDF-0003Ea-1I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 04:03:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53331) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VihD5-0003EA-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 04:03:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VihCx-0002g6-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 04:03:03 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56266) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VihCx-0002g1-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 04:02:55 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VihCt-0002Ft-Vm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:02:51 +0100 Original-Received: from p4ffe7ad4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.254.122.212]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:02:51 +0100 Original-Received: from rhogez by p4ffe7ad4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:02:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 59 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4ffe7ad4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165363 Archived-At: I think two different problems have been mentioned here. One is Wysiwyg-like features the other the possibility to be compatible with other formats. For me the latter problem is much more crucial. Here is the use case which may illustrate a typical(?) situation: In academia (humanities branch!) the MS Word format is still the "standard" when you exchange editable documents. More people can handle odt today but not too many. So I heavily depend on the import/export filter LibreOffice offers for Word. I also use Orgmode in Emacs to take notes etc. In theory, I could write all my documents in Orgmode and export them to odt before sending them off. In cases of Word users who do not have import filters for odt (there are still a lot of them) one would have to export into the Word format via LibreOffice. However, this does not help in the following two cases that are quite common (in short: collaborative work on a document): 1) Someone sends me a odt- or Word-document, that I have to work on, and possibly send it back after having made some corrections etc. 2) I want one of the word-users (or odt-users) to edit my document and send it back to me after which I want to review the changes and make more editing. Telling people that they should use Emacs is clearly not an option, so even with Emacs possessing some advanced Wysiwyg functionality (which I would love to have) I still would heavily depend on LibreOffice. Chris On 11/18/2013 07:44 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > The issue is that most people want something like LibreOffice so that > they can do what other people do with Microsoft Word, including exchange > files. That level of compatibility is a boatload of work. > > Yup. But that is what is needed. > > So I suspect that (a) the number of people who want this and (b) the > number of actual use-cases are quite small. > > Perhaps most current Emacs users use TeX when they want to format something. > I use TeX to write a manual, and also when I want to send a nicely formatted > letter; but I wish I could do the latter WYSIWYG in Emacs. > > But there are so many people who don't use Emacs or TeX. They use > WYSIWYG word processors only. I wish we could make Emacs easy for > them to use, so they could get the benefit of Emacs's other advantages > while doing their word processing. >