From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org
Subject: bug#15478: cc-mode does not obey electric-indent-mode
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:54:10 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <l2jlt2$1tng$1@colin.muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvwqm0akbv.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca>
Hi, Andreas.
Andreas R?hler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> wrote:
> Am 03.10.2013 06:10, schrieb Stefan Monnier:
>>>> That's because *you* like electric-indent-mode. Not because C is special.
>>> Electric indentation is more useful in a language like C than it is in
>>> something like Python --- C has a richer set of brace characters.
>> Right: Python is indeed special because fully automatic indentation is
>> not really possible. But C is not special in this respect.
>>> cc-mode's sophisticated syntactic indentation is an Emacs "killer feature".
>> The "sophisticated syntactic indentation" is also a killer feature for
>> Octave users, SML users, Lisp users, Javascript users, ...
>>> Anyway, we should be showcasing it by default, using electric
>>> indentation, instead of hiding it behind configuration because users
>>> might want to lobotomize their indentation by rebinding <tab>.
>> That's arguing for changing the global default of electric-indent-mode.
>> Whereas this bug report is about changing cc-mode to follow the
>> global preference, whichever way it's set.
>> Stefan
> Experience from python-mode says: better keep electric-stuff and common indent apart.
That's the way it is in python-mode. In CC Mode, automatic indentation
doesn't work without electricity. A single global default for
electric-indent-mode is thus inadequate.
> Being aware new users might be attracted by these shiny and useful features, for Emacs beginners
> a lot of surprises may result.
> IMHO that's part of the "steep learning curve", Emacs is often blamed of - too much electric stuff for beginners.
> Rather tell at README and Info what to activate once it works.
I say, let the defaults reflect a properly functioning Emacs.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-28 18:10 bug#15478: cc-mode does not obey electric-indent-mode Stefan Monnier
2013-09-28 20:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-29 3:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-29 9:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-30 18:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-02 20:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-03 1:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-03 2:46 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-03 4:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-03 4:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-03 4:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-03 5:56 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-03 6:31 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-03 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-03 13:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-03 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-03 17:40 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-03 9:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-03 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-03 17:45 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-03 10:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-03 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-04 21:21 ` Josh
2013-10-05 16:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-06 17:45 ` Josh
2013-10-07 13:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-07 21:23 ` Josh
2013-10-09 17:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-03 11:54 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2013-10-03 17:43 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-05 17:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-06 1:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-06 2:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-06 5:04 ` Josh
2013-10-07 9:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
[not found] ` <20131007093859.GA3859@acm.acm>
2013-10-07 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-07 21:17 ` Josh
2013-10-08 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-08 15:59 ` Josh
2013-10-09 17:32 ` Alan Mackenzie
[not found] ` <20131009173206.GA2610@acm.acm>
2013-10-10 19:11 ` Josh
2013-10-06 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 14:54 ` bug#15596: Let's improve the default workings of electric-indent-mode Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-12 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 12:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-14 2:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-07 10:30 ` bug#15478: cc-mode does not obey electric-indent-mode Alan Mackenzie
[not found] ` <20131007103041.GB3859@acm.acm>
2013-10-07 16:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-07 20:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
[not found] ` <20131007203738.GA3099@acm.acm>
2013-10-07 23:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-05 17:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-02-17 19:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
[not found] ` <20140217190249.GB4173@acm.acm>
2014-02-18 0:04 ` Stefan Monnier
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