* What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
@ 2020-12-30 8:37 novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2020-12-30 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
AFAIK, it is needed only in terminals, but it has not purpose on GUI. I don't think there are many people who, for example, press C-m instead of RET.
Wouldn't it make more sense to define these in input-decode-map only if emacs runs in a terminal and on GUI letting the user freely rebind them?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
2020-12-30 8:37 What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame? novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
@ 2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
2020-12-30 12:23 ` novim
2020-12-30 17:19 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-30 12:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-31 0:37 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Omar Polo @ 2020-12-30 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: novim, novim; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
> AFAIK, it is needed only in terminals, but it has not purpose on GUI. I don't think there are many people who, for example, press C-m instead of RET.
>
> Wouldn't it make more sense to define these in input-decode-map only if emacs runs in a terminal and on GUI letting the user freely rebind them?
I don't think I ever used C-m, but I do sometime use C-i instead of
TAB. Many window manager and desktop environment binds alt-tab, the same
default binding for completion-at-point. I suppose there are people who
use M-C-i instead of "alt-tab" at least for that.
(Also, even if you have tab-always-indent set to 'complete, you may
still need M-C-i for instance in yasnippet, given how it hijacks TAB)
my two cents
P.S.: it would be cool to have a setting to explicitly say "I don't care
about tty-compatible keybindings". But, OTOH, I've just discovered
input-decode-map thanks to this thread so I may play with it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
@ 2020-12-30 12:23 ` novim
2020-12-30 17:19 ` Eric S Fraga
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: novim @ 2020-12-30 12:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Omar Polo; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:12 PM, Omar Polo <op@omarpolo.com> wrote:
>
> (Also, even if you have tab-always-indent set to 'complete, you may
> still need M-C-i for instance in yasnippet, given how it hijacks TAB)
On GUI you can bind M-C-i. I don't think input-decode-map is needed for that.
> P.S.: it would be cool to have a setting to explicitly say "I don't care
> about tty-compatible keybindings".
And option like this could be nice, so GUI only users can set it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
2020-12-30 12:23 ` novim
@ 2020-12-30 17:19 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-30 18:10 ` Omar Polo
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2020-12-30 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Wednesday, 30 Dec 2020 at 12:12, Omar Polo wrote:
> I don't think I ever used C-m
I use C-m often when part of a sequence of keys, e.g. "C-c C-m f" when
attaching a file in message mode. It's easier than letting go of the
ctrl key and hitting return.
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.4 on Debian bullseye/sid
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
2020-12-30 17:19 ` Eric S Fraga
@ 2020-12-30 18:10 ` Omar Polo
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Omar Polo @ 2020-12-30 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> On Wednesday, 30 Dec 2020 at 12:12, Omar Polo wrote:
>> I don't think I ever used C-m
>
> I use C-m often when part of a sequence of keys, e.g. "C-c C-m f" when
> attaching a file in message mode. It's easier than letting go of the
> ctrl key and hitting return.
oh, now that I think about it, I also do that! C-c <ret> f is awkward.
It's one of those key sequence impressed in my muscle memory.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
2020-12-30 8:37 What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame? novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
@ 2020-12-30 12:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-31 0:37 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2020-12-30 12:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor; +Cc: novim
novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
> AFAIK, it is needed only in terminals, but it has not purpose on
> GUI.
IIUC (but I might be wrong) it's not so much that it's "needed"; it's
that Emacs just cannot distinguish between them, since (some?) terminals
translate function keys (e.g. <return>, <tab>) into characters (\r, \t
respectively).
> I don't think there are many people who, for example, press C-m
> instead of RET.
I do, FWIW. On AZERTY, 'm' lies comfortably under the right pinky, so
C-m is essentially a no-op for my right hand.
With <capslock> rebound to <control>, <return> (two keys away from 'm')
requires more wrist movement than <control> (0 key away from 'q'):
[CAPS][q][s][d][_f_][g][h][_j_][k][l][m][ù][*][RETURN]
I know I'm probably the odd one out though.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame?
2020-12-30 8:37 What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame? novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
2020-12-30 12:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
@ 2020-12-31 0:37 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2020-12-31 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:
> AFAIK, it is needed only in terminals, but it has not
> purpose on GUI. I don't think there are many people who, for
> example, press C-m instead of RET.
https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/console-keys.el
https://dataswamp.org/~incal/tty-emacs-keys.txt
--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
https://dataswamp.org/~incal
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2020-12-31 0:37 UTC | newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed
-- links below jump to the message on this page --
2020-12-30 8:37 What is the point of binding C-m to RET, C-i to TAB etc on a GUI frame? novim via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-12-30 11:12 ` Omar Polo
2020-12-30 12:23 ` novim
2020-12-30 17:19 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-30 18:10 ` Omar Polo
2020-12-30 12:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-31 0:37 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.