From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 10:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: muc.de e.V. Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367761984 25153 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 13:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 13:53:04 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 15:53:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYzNC-0003Kp-GX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 15:53:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56128 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYzNC-000308-77 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 09:53:06 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.space.net!news.muc.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 43 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.muc.de Original-X-Trace: colin.muc.de 1367748862 52921 193.149.48.2 (5 May 2013 10:14:22 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news-admin@muc.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 10:14:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.9.6-20101126 ("Burnside") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/8.4-PRERELEASE (amd64)) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:198249 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 May 2013 09:52:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90517 Archived-At: Hi, Steven! Steven Degutis wrote: > What's the use-case for having the terminal be able to act as an editor? "The" terminal? There are several. I run Emacs in a Linux virtual terminal, unless forced to use a GUI setup - e.g. for testing elisp. Why? Because I want to run Emacs without distractions, without window borders, without the mouse, without faffing around with fonts, and with my Emacs frame filling the _whole_ screen. As somebody else said, why use a graphic environment for manipulating pure text? A GUI is a general unspecific mush, whereas a TUI is optimised for text. Setting up Emacs on the virtual terminal is some work, agreed; you have to extend the rather sparse keyboard layouts, and then teach Emacs how to understand the new keyboard codes; working with several frames can be awkward, so I wrote a little utility for key to switch to frame n. But the effort is worth it. To me, being able to run Emacs on a terminal is one of its chief attractions. > For me it's rather the other way around, I use the terminal within my > editor (eshell). You can do that on a terminal too. :-) > Seems like there's no real point in supporting terminal-mode in a text > editor these days. Well, thanks very much! I believe that Richard Stallman uses Emacs on a virtual terminal. It is sometimes useful to have an editor available during installation of a GUI, before that GUI is usable. Are you suggesting you're willing to put in the work to remove terminal support from Emacs? It'd be a lot of work. What would be the point? > -Steven -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).