From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nathan Hess Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: 09 Apr 2005 14:01:19 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <7e4qf7yfgh.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113069757 12660 80.91.229.2 (9 Apr 2005 18:02:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 09 20:02:32 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKKHp-0008TV-T1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:02:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKJra-0003fy-AR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:35:18 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1113069679 12132 166.84.1.1 (9 Apr 2005 18:01:19 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:01:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129947 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25510 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25510 PT writes: > Exactly. My heretic idea is to rethink the whole Emacs interface > (defaults, keybindings). Make the default Emacs very similary to modern > CUA-based applications. Give less reason for the newbies to give up in > disgust. As I remember, this thread began with a request for some sort of help for newbies involving default keybindings, etc. The original desire seemed to be to be able to put (newbie-mode) in people's .emacs files, and have Emacs operate with function keys doing "useful" things, etc. It seems to me that there is nothing in such an effort that requires the default behavior of Emacs to change at all; the new bindings and functionality would only take place in newbie mode. So, maybe the original poster could begin by writing and posting elisp code for such a newbie mode that begins down that road, and others can expand/enhance it. That activity might be more fruitful than going back and forth about default, out-of-the-box Emacs behavior. --woodstock -- It's funny how you can go through life thinking you've seen everything... Then you suddenly realize there are millions of things you've never seen before. -- Linus, to Charlie Brown _~~. (_" / joewoodstock@austin.rr.com '`