From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chiron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:35:28 GMT Organization: TeraNews.com Message-ID: References: <1bqkr.13803$mL3.9455@newsfe23.iad> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335012019 26572 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2012 12:40:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:40:19 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 21 14:40:19 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLZbr-0006V7-V3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:40:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36384 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLZbr-00076X-9H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:40:15 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe04.iad.POSTED!7ed62f90!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:35:28 UTC X-Received-Bytes: 3036 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192134 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84549 Archived-At: On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:36:27 +0200, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > () Chiron () Sat, 21 Apr > 2012 03:53:33 GMT > > The current maintainers have absolutely no incentive to try to make > emacs appealing to the masses. > > Maybe, maybe not. If they had an incentive to make emacs appealing to the masses, they'd do it. Since they aren't doing it, I think it's clear that they don't have the incentive. > > If they did that, sure, they'd probably get plenty of new > maintainers, but these new guys would change their tool in ways they > don't want. They're OK with the way it is right now. What's in it > for them to change it? > > Well, a superior change accomodates both old and new. Not every > programmer realizes such change, but there's no point losing hope. > Whether or not that programmer is a maintainer is beside the point. Perhaps. I was simply speaking of the motivation of the current maintainers to make changes to emacs. Unless the current maintainers are confused, they *already* have emacs pretty much the way they want it. What the complainer was suggesting was that new people - maintainers, programmers, whoever - would *change* emacs, which would make emacs less the way the current maintainers want it, and more the way others would want it. I guess what I'm seeing, is Group A is unhappy with emacs and would like to see some changes made to it that might be beneficial. They complain that the people who maintain emacs - Group B - don't want to make the changes. But Group B is happy with things the way they are - so why should they go to the trouble to make the changes that Group A wants? A. We think you should change emacs to be the way we want it. B. Well, we like it the way it is. A. No, you're too old-fashioned or hidebound; you need to get with the program. You need to make emacs a tool for modern programming practices. B. Why? It works for us. A. But it doesn't work for us! B. Um... -- ... bleakness ... desolation ... plastic forks ...