From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: goncholden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83h74rxze0.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkuzxvur.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: goncholden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14646"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 08:35:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dfd-0003XV-My for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:35:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36694 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dfc-00043C-8h for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:35:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35616) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dP9-0000r6-Es for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:42691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dP7-0005ZF-9b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:18:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1655101102; x=1655360302; bh=KjJ/ITK/Czfk8ifKgSBTBQiHdB6gE9DP8tU9Ir0HxKA=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=kIcKJmd5zv8CHPwQV+2Av7H8YYG+VvWQzZ2yD5CNYW9EB2Mkn2xFvEk2JriMbxwei stzzscphdnz9rVdSm8RC5qkHquqyeLzYMcWxuQHSsPWvTAmX1+aQ1CdmrQnJxtPlq/ sT0QxcYVJSTfVyJgOGbJPzABtvEKBKNcmte1z14o/F1EZm1M8Sb5JzfcjLDiSoXOsb amc5D+NuAP38hQWh1wCPlvcs3LafIda886ESK7f4raPLyQma3uj8cFobXHCnBYCKuU KhrP5dGcTmWgCXmN563yrsl3DKUlsDHXUb66igQ5ZcIW7NGAwzfsGkrwXXaNw74dL0 JrqaOqompQrng== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 43053548:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.18; envelope-from=goncholden@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4318.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137768 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, June 13th, 2022 at 10:42 AM, Jean Louis wrote= : > * goncholden goncholden@protonmail.com [2022-06-12 23:41]: > > > Disabling automatic indentation completely must be a single command > > operation, with Emacs tracking what electric indentation > > functionality is enabled automatically, and disable them without > > putting such burdens on the user. Emacs has ended up with an > > artificial intelligence machine that takes control away from the > > human being, if our intelligence cannot figure out a quick and > > direct way to turn off its plug. > > > I guess it is rather helpful to many users. But that is just a > guess. For sure I personally prefer many automatic indentations, and > that is one of main reasons why I prefer Emacs as editor. > > For example, I like that I simply press RET and get in the next line > of this paragraph. It helps me many times when formatting list > items. The way I like it. I like it too but then I started playing with some legacy fortran code, whi= ch necessitated different rules. > There are many options in Emacs, and to find the one with indentation > is really difficult. I do not think that you would easily find it out > without asking on mailing list. It took me about a week to figure out that the tab on the previous line tha= t was being modified when pressing return was due to electric-indent. > That option to turn it off exists, that means you are still in charge. Right. Po Lu has been helping me. > And after using Emacs a lot, when I get into other editor, I feel the > same, those editors are taking control over my habits or lack of > habits. All those are subjective perceptions, in other words, > illusions. > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/