From: Kevin Rodgers <kevin.d.rodgers@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Interesting problem: eval-after-load and local variables
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:55:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <k5ou7l$705$1@ger.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <808vb58pmw.fsf@somewhere.org>
On 10/17/12 2:32 AM, Sebastien Vauban wrote:
> Kevin Rodgers wrote:
...
>> In general, it is not necessary to load a library before customizing its global
>> options. You should get the desired effect with just:
>>
>> (setq time-stamp-format "%:y-%02m-%02d %3a %02H:%02M %u")
>
> I know. And this is a very somewhat ridiculous example. But, for speed and
> clarity of my .emacs, I've generally put all customs inside an
> eval-after-load. A setq is certainly not time-taker, certainly not when alone,
> but I've applied the same principal to many other blocks of customs.
I don't see how the eval-after-load boilerplate provides any speed or clarity.
...
>> I don't see how, since those variables aren't autoloaded. (Their autoload
>> cookies only result in the safe-local-variable property being dumped into the
>> emacs executable for each symbol.) I suspect you have enabled time stamp as
>> documented in the Emacs manual:
>>
>> Then add the hook function `time-stamp' to the hook
>> `before-save-hook'; that hook function will automatically update the
>> time stamp, inserting the current date and time when you save the file.
>>
>> (The function time-stamp is autoloaded.)
>
> You're absolutely right! I described the correct effect, but not the right
> cause...
...
>> Actually, I think the file local variables are applied and then overridden by
>> the eval-after-load form (but only for the first file that you save).
>
> Your explanation must be right. But my question was more general, in the
> sense: is this the behavior one would expect? Or *should local vars triumph
> over the setq done in the eval-after-load?*
We should expect file local variables and eval-after-load to work as documented
-- and they do. It is our responsibility to use them correctly -- but you used
eval-after-load unnecessarily, without considering the context.
>> Do other files with time stamp templates work as intended?
>
> I'll check (but I've already applied the fix suggested by Michael). I guess
> the answer is yes.
...
>> I think you should either skip the eval-after-load boilerplate
>
> As said, for this example: you're definitively right. It's kind of useless.
>
>> or use setq-default in the eval-after-load form as suggested by Michael.
>
> Can I use setq-default with whichever var? I guess not. But am I right?
You _can_ use setq-default on any variable, to ensure that you are setting its
global binding and not the current buffer-local binding (if any).
--
Kevin Rodgers
Denver, Colorado, USA
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-18 12:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-16 8:02 Interesting problem: eval-after-load and local variables Sebastien Vauban
2012-10-16 9:18 ` Peter Dyballa
2012-10-16 17:54 ` Michael Heerdegen
2012-10-17 3:23 ` Kevin Rodgers
[not found] ` <mailman.11151.1350444234.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-10-17 8:32 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-10-18 4:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2012-10-18 12:55 ` Kevin Rodgers [this message]
2012-10-18 17:46 ` Bob Proulx
[not found] ` <mailman.11221.1350564945.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-10-19 9:40 ` Sebastien Vauban
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