From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacspeak and UTF-8 -- possible? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1186169058.124273.9230@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <87sl6viq3s.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87r6mc6jtm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1186807237 17788 80.91.229.12 (11 Aug 2007 04:40:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:40:37 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 11 06:40:33 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IJim9-0006WO-4R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:40:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJim4-00018K-5F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:40:28 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.umontreal.ca!news.umontreal.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:02:15 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JmxL/jfPNHqYohOJfuyG2bamy5E= Original-Lines: 33 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.204.27.213 Original-X-Trace: sv3-tFhP+AwtS038uNtyWIp8B3XVAXdzJiFw7wlPO1rY57my7f1b4LeZgv580sM4FWU3yXBD1fh5IPpvtvG!rC5RTwVFppT1cRf+wx+7vCI9ZXir/IGK3g4asrLQR6MGhOOgoLE8juG85Zi04N0mbQAc3iLobMaq!6IuGG5SLtcAolSvp4Q== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@umontreal.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.35 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150917 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46492 Archived-At: >>> Emacspeak AFAIK doesn't support multi-byte characters. The problem is >>> that many speech synthesises, particularly older hardware based ones like >>> the dectalk, don't understand UTF-8 character sets. If you send them >>> a multibyte character, they either lock up, speak garbage or do something >>> else unexpected. >> >> That's not a good reason to prevent display of any other char. > Nobody said it was a good reason, its just the reason. I'd suggest you > need to have familiarity with how it works and its internals and history > before you can make a judgement, > Given your contributions and long involvement with Emacs I'm surprised to > see you make such an uninformed statement which contributes so little. I'm sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to say that Emacspeak is crap or stupid, really. I just felt like it was useful to point out that the justification that the limitation is due to the speech synthesis process's own limitations was not quite correct. The real reason is that Emacspeak has not been adjusted to the way Emacs handles encoding, so the limitation is a result of historical circumstances coupled with a lack of manpower/expertise/motivation to rework the code in order to lift this restriction. Nothing to be ashamed here. Again, I'm sorry if I sounded like I was criticizing Emacspeak, Stefan PS: How ironic that Emacspeak provides "the first really functional interface on Linux for [blind and] VI users".