From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:13:33 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87d3kal0za.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5mky4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306782827 6348 80.91.229.12 (30 May 2011 19:13:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 19:13:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 30 21:13:44 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7uJ-0006uZ-Ry for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 21:13:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54376 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7uJ-0001Fi-Cx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 15:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41698) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7uC-00014h-NX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 15:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7uB-0002sZ-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 15:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:46391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7uB-0002sV-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 15:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: from 213-159-126-200.fibertel.com.ar ([200.126.159.213]:54979 helo=ceviche.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7uB-0002jI-Ii; Mon, 30 May 2011 15:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B16C6660D3; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:13:33 -0300 (ART) In-Reply-To: (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 30 May 2011 20:07:16 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139909 Archived-At: >> But perhaps that can be an smtpmail.el configuration thing. But I'd >> hoped to avoid that, but perhaps that isn't in the cards. SMTP is kinda >> special amongst all the protocols, since all the other ones are pretty >> much guaranteed to need credentials, while SMTP rarely uses it. > Where have you been whilst spam has been conquering the world? ;) > I have access to 3 separate SMTP servers, all of which require > authentication, and it has been normal in every company I've worked in > for the last half decade at least. It's still very common for SMTP servers to use the IP address instead of authentication credentials, and having to enter a password each time in order for smtpmail to discover that no authentication was needed is *really* annoying. Stefan