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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fixing ill-conditioned regular expressions.  Proof of concept.
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:12:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvzj80ebps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150226162119.GD19320@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:21:19 +0000")

>> >     R*\(\)R*
>> > , but anybody who writes such regexps deserves what she gets.
>> What is it that I deserve to get?
> You deserve, perhaps, to lose (match-beginning 1) and (match-end 1),
> which were ill-defined anyway.

Why do you think so?  They seem perfectly well-defined to me.
They're just always equal to one another, of course, but to the extent
that the regexp syntax only forces me to put "named positions" in pairs,
if I need a single position, it's fairly natural to just use \(\).

> Have you really written a regexp like this (apart from for testing
> purposes)?.  If so, what's it for?

   grep '\\\\(\\\\)' **/*.el

finds 27 matches.  Taking one example from the list:

   lisp/emacs-lisp/smie.el:     ((looking-at "\\s(\\|\\s)\\(\\)")

what this does is to let me use (match-beginning 1) to figure out which
of the two alternatives was matched.  I could have written this as

       ((looking-at "\\s(\\|\\(\\s)\\)")

but this would be (marginally) slower, because we'd always push
a "group-start" marker before try to match "\\s)", whereas with the
other rule, we only do that when we know "\\s)" has matched.

> By the way, how do you see the prospects of this file becoming
> incorporated into Emacs at some stage?

To be honest, I haven't looked at it at all, yet.
The vague understanding I have of what it might be sounds interesting.
It's just a patch trying to cover up the worst aspects of the
current regexp engine, but since there doesn't seem to be much interest
in improving/overhauling the regexp engine, maybe it's a good stop-gap.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-26 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-23 18:12 Fixing ill-conditioned regular expressions. Proof of concept Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-23 19:55 ` Paul Eggert
2015-02-23 20:21   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-23 22:19     ` Paul Eggert
2015-02-23 22:42       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-23 23:07         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-02-23 23:37         ` Paul Eggert
2015-02-25 10:08           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-26  1:11             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-26  8:46             ` Paul Eggert
2015-02-26 10:11               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-26 11:05                 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-02-26 13:09                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-26 13:46                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-26 16:21                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-26 19:12                         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-02-26 20:01                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-27 13:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-24 16:29       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-24  6:20   ` Philipp Stephani
2015-03-13 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier

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