From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reify the cc-mode-common into an actual parent mode Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 13:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20160528113003.GA2950@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1464457908 23726 80.91.229.3 (28 May 2016 17:51:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 17:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-cc-mode@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 28 19:51:39 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b6iOg-0006z5-RG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 May 2016 19:51:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53840 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b6iOc-0003Gc-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 May 2016 13:51:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49003) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b6iOW-0003GV-M7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2016 13:51:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b6iOV-0004wI-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2016 13:51:28 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:38779) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b6iOR-0004vm-3C; Sat, 28 May 2016 13:51:23 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CgCAA731xV//v1SC1cgxCEAoVVu0CHUQKBPToSAQEBAQEBAYEKhCMBAQMBeQULCw0BJhIUGDEsiAsIzyMBAQEHAiCLOoUFB4QtBZ8Xhl6LNoNZI4IKHIFuIoJ4AQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0CgCAA731xV//v1SC1cgxCEAoVVu0CHUQKBPToSAQEBAQEBAYEKhCMBAQMBeQULCw0BJhIUGDEsiAsIzyMBAQEHAiCLOoUFB4QtBZ8Xhl6LNoNZI4IKHIFuIoJ4AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="239802099" Original-Received: from unknown (HELO pastel.home) ([45.72.245.251]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 28 May 2016 13:51:21 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6AE386442A; Sat, 28 May 2016 13:51:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20160528113003.GA2950@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 28 May 2016 11:30:03 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204112 Archived-At: > Did I? Maybe not exactly in those terms, but you did seem to come around to the idea since there seemed to be enough code to be shared this way. > `c-make-inherited-keymap' is not obsolete, being required for XEmacs > compatibility. (XEmacs is still alive, if perhaps on life support. > SXEmacs is very much alive.) The alternative suggested in the patch's > `make-obsolete' form most assuredly won't work in XEmacs, yet hackers > aren't warned about this there. Which part wouldn't work in XEmacs? > But the main thing I don't like about the patch is that it's a lot of > work (for both of us), yet doesn't solve a single bug, and doesn't > implement any new feature. The new `c-mode-common', which isn't a > coherent entity, is going to cause problems (and hence take up more time) > when somebody tries to derive directly from it. Possibly there will be > other problems with the patch. So you prefer copy&paste? OK, it's your mess to deal with after all. Stefan