From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29478: `C-h k' followed by mouse clicks no longer shows down event Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:19:02 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1b3879d6-f14e-47b0-970f-baf09598fcfd@default> <871skjnpd8.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>> <20171128221036.GC14868@ACM>> > <83o9ni3l3i.fsf@gnu.org>> <83bmji2xye.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1514045899 21247 195.159.176.226 (23 Dec 2017 16:18:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:18:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: acm@muc.de, 29478@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 23 17:18:14 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmUz-0004oE-GJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:18:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50004 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmWx-0003Y7-Kw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:20:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57645) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmWr-0003Wz-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:20:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmWo-0007XN-5f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:20:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmWo-0007XD-2O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:20:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmWn-0004da-Kl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:20:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 29478-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29478.151404595117766 (code B ref 29478); Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29478) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2017 16:19:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmVy-0004cS-25 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:19:11 -0500 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:52611) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSmVv-0004cK-OF for 29478@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:19:09 -0500 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id vBNGJ3qd021020; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:19:04 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D813F6634E; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:19:02 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83bmji2xye.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:51:37 +0200") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6186=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6186> : inlines <6281> : streams <1773955> : uri <2556138> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:141429 Archived-At: >> > For documentation of the corresponding mouse-down event, >> > click and hold the mouse button longer than %s sec. >> > (where %s gets replaced by double-click-time)? >> That's a hack/workaround Agreed. > The previous way, where down-event was described before the up-event, > was also a hack. Maybe its implementation was hackish, but as far as the UI goes I don't think it was a hack. > The fundamental problem here is that Emacs doesn't > know what the user wants/needs, and the semi-kludgey way we intuit > that when processing mouse gestures is part of the reason. The way to solve this is to add a menu/index at the beginning indicating that there were *several* events, such that the user is made aware that he may have to skip some info to find the one of interest (and presumably this menu is made clickable so the user can easily jump to the part he wants). The same kind of situation shows up with `C-h o` for symbols that combine various roles (function, variable, type, face, ...), BTW. Stefan