From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: url-retrieve fails on most HTTPS sites Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:26:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sgb1my75.fsf@hypra-graner> <87k0wdsde8.fsf@ebih.ebihd> <20200928232459.GA128690@scrozzle> <87blhpsc4b.fsf@ebih.ebihd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24685"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:sWbeLb1HdxWJ0EFes3fUtzosDcw= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 04:27:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kN5MU-0006EZ-Su for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:27:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35706 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kN5MT-0006Qd-VP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:27:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47044) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kN5M5-0006QL-3J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:33772 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kN5M0-0006PG-2W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kN5Lu-0005Yt-Dk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:26:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/28 22:26:51 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.199, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124188 Archived-At: >>> (BTW, don't quote lambdas! was the rule one decade ago...) >> From wrting too much Common Lisp, I'm used to >> writing #'(lambda ...), but I'm not qualified to >> judge elisp. > Comrade S Monnier always said don't quote lambdas. > and... I believed him. ' and #' are two different beasts. If you want to wrap your lambdas inside #' be my guest. But please don't quote them with ' because it turns them into "lists which happen to look eerily like functions". You can't α-rename lists, you can't byte-compile lists, you can't macro-expand lists, you can't detect "bugs" or code smells in lists, ... Stefan