From: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Emacs 30.0 warning from `cl-pushnew' and `memql'
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:08:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvzgb4phqk.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: SJ0PR10MB548897D714E2A3DB330ACE7AF3F09@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
>> > But "very frequent", really? Any evidence that
>> > that's been the case for the many users of CL
> ^^
> Common Lisp
>> > `case' since the mid-80s?
>>
>> The only "evidence" I have the number of such errors
>> I've fixed over the years in other people's ELisp code.
>
> Which isn't an indication of such for _CL_ `case',
> i.e., in the code of _Common Lisp_ users.
AFAIK this is an Emacs discussion group, so yes, I'm talking about
ELisp, and I used these errors I've corrected over the years as
"objective evidence" that, at least for some coders, the `pcase` syntax
is more intuitive than the `cl-case` syntax (which is also the syntax of
`case` in Common Lisp).
So far I haven't seen anyone show any kind of "objective evidence" that
the `cl-case` syntax is easier to learn or use. Just unsubstantiated
statements that it's simpler as if it were just obvious. Obviously it's
objectively more concise. But the argument in favor of `cl-case` has
never been about concision, AFAICT, always about some notion of being
easier to use. AFAICT its "simplicity" is just the fact that it's a lot
more restrictive, so you can get the same simplicity by resisting the
urge to use the extra features of `pcase`, without having to learn
another syntax.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-31 0:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-26 20:38 Emacs 30.0 warning from `cl-pushnew' and `memql' Emanuel Berg
2022-12-27 6:56 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-27 10:28 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-27 11:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-27 11:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 3:23 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-28 4:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 22:27 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-30 22:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-30 6:30 ` tomas
2022-12-28 6:25 ` tomas
2022-12-28 11:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-28 12:41 ` tomas
2022-12-28 12:45 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 13:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 14:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 22:31 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-01-08 4:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-08 18:54 ` Andreas Eder
2022-12-28 17:57 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-28 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-28 19:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 19:35 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-28 19:36 ` tomas
2022-12-28 19:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 17:54 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-28 18:05 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-28 19:35 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-29 3:34 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-29 19:06 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-29 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-29 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-29 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-30 7:29 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-30 18:55 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-30 22:55 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-31 0:08 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [this message]
2022-12-31 2:45 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-31 4:53 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-28 19:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 20:24 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-28 20:56 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-28 21:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-28 22:47 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-28 23:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 6:03 ` tomas
2022-12-29 6:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 7:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 7:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 22:41 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-30 23:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-30 6:35 ` tomas
2022-12-29 9:18 ` Jean Louis
2022-12-29 10:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 10:12 ` tomas
2022-12-29 10:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 10:26 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-29 10:36 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-29 14:47 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-29 10:39 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-28 12:44 ` Emanuel Berg
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