From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Another VC terminology change? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20071011143005.GA18057@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1192123589 19866 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2007 17:26:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 11 19:26:27 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ig1nj-0004L0-DC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:26:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig1nd-0001XM-0Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:26:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig1nY-0001TF-R0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig1nX-0001Pd-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig1nX-0001PK-3B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:26:11 -0400 Original-Received: from x-132-204-254-24.xtpr.umontreal.ca ([132.204.254.24] helo=ceviche.home) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ig1nS-0000ZZ-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:26:11 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C7FA3B41BB; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:25:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20071011143005.GA18057@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Thu\, 11 Oct 2007 10\:30\:05 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80634 Archived-At: > The terms ``checkin'' and ``checkout'' are associated with file-based > and locking-based systems and a bit archaic; nowadays those operations > are usually called ``commit'' and ``update''. > Since I've had to take a big hammer to VC's terminology anyway to clean up > the inconsistencies Stefan pointed out, I'm thinking now might be a good > time for me to go further and change these. > The argument against, of course, is that users are accustomed to these > terms. They're embedded in VC because when I originally wrote it SCCS > and RCS were the only games in town[1] and these are the terms they used. > The argument for is that 'commit' and 'update' are a better match for the > terms CVS introduced and every subsequent VCS we're interested in has > pretty much retained. Not about "checkout" which sometimes means "update" and sometimes "get". But yes, "checkin" should be replaced by "commit". This said, I don't know if we should change it only in the doc, or also in the code, especially in the part of the code that interacts with the user (i.e. commands) or the backends: I think it's important to make sure that a single backend can work both with the new and the old VC. Stefan