From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New sync'd branch
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:46:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy6p3bg95.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y6p3luq3.fsf@telefonica.net> ("Óscar Fuentes"'s message of "Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:21:56 +0200")
Can we please stop rehyashing this dicussion and get back to the
question at hand, which is about an Emacs-24 branch and how to do it?
Anyway, it seems that if we can get git-cvsserver, the main problem will
be solved.
Stefan
>>>>> "Óscar" == Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>> Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
>>
>>> Finally, git's UI is horrid: complex, barroque, with plenty of
>>> opportunities for shooting yourself on the feet.
>>
>> But there is the reflog. After shooting yourself in the foot, you
>> always have the option of going back to before the shot.
>>
>> Yes, it is reasonably easy to blow up some operation terribly if you
>> don't know what you are doing. Because git has lots of power. But you
>> always can tell it: "Ok, this was a complete messup. Give me back what
>> I had 20 minutes ago".
> I'll really apreciate a tool that does not make me waste those 20
> minutes.
> It's true that bzr is appreciably slower than git doing common
> operations: diff and annotate is intantaneous in git (on GNU/Linux),
> takes a few seconds on bzr. But when I screw my git setup, the time that
> takes me to fix it is much longer than the time I lost waiting for bzr.
>> It is very hard to actually do something which can't be undone. You
>> have to really try.
> And this is different from other VCSs how?
>>> Those kernel guys are not the right people for designing UIs.
>>
>> Which is why there are different user interfaces on top of the raw git.
>> git-gui does quite a few nice things, various Emacs modes as well.
> Agreed.
>>> Some day people will recognize this and will see today's massive
>>> leaning towards git as a mistake originated on juvenile reverence
>>> towards its original author and on simplistic metrics like raw speed,
>>> putting aside a critical and objetive assessment of its merits
>>> compared against the alternatives.
>>
>> You underestimate git. And you underestimate "people". Torvalds
>> usually does several hundreds of merges a day.
> The typical Emacs developer is not like Torvads. Emacs has a development
> style that is very far from Linux's. Every example about how well git
> works specifically for Torvalds is moot.
>> And that's not just because of "raw speed", but also because of
>> high-quality merging strategies.
> git's mergin strategies are possibly superior to bzr, but do we (Emacs
> and most other Free projects) really need them? I think not.
>> Moving Emacs towards Bazaar was a real stress test for
>> Bazaar, and still is.
> This will be fixed over time. git's problems (mostly UI and poor support
> for non-POSIX environments) will not be solved anytime soon.
> [snip]
> --
> Óscar
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-29 0:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-23 22:21 New sync'd branch Stefan Monnier
2009-08-23 22:35 ` joakim
2009-08-24 13:58 ` Leo
2009-08-24 19:24 ` Dmitry Dzhus
2009-08-25 17:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-26 8:31 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-26 19:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-27 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-27 4:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-27 5:38 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-08-28 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-27 6:33 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-27 7:08 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-08-27 7:14 ` Christian Faulhammer
2009-08-27 8:55 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-27 9:07 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-27 10:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-27 9:47 ` joakim
2009-08-28 9:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-28 9:12 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-28 9:19 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-08-28 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-28 13:03 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-28 13:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-08-28 14:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-08-28 17:11 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-08-28 17:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-08-28 18:00 ` David Reitter
2009-08-29 3:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 20:20 ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-28 15:08 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-28 17:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-08-28 19:33 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-28 21:41 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-08-28 22:20 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-28 22:55 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-08-29 0:17 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-29 9:08 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-29 15:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29 0:46 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2009-08-28 22:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-28 14:01 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-08-28 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-28 14:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-08-28 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-28 14:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-08-28 9:38 ` joakim
2009-08-28 9:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-28 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-28 11:18 ` David Kastrup
2009-08-28 15:59 ` David Reitter
2009-08-27 21:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-27 21:52 ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-27 22:17 ` Chong Yidong
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-24 22:25 Nick Roberts
2009-08-25 9:29 ` joakim
2009-08-25 14:06 ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-25 21:02 ` Nick Roberts
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