From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9877: 24.0.90; `report-emacs-bug' is even more broken now Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319653050 30190 80.91.229.12 (26 Oct 2011 18:17:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9877@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 26 20:17:24 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ82V-000341-IS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:17:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37688 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ82V-0004n1-1m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:17:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59742) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ82R-0004mn-Q3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ82Q-0006Ub-GI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ82Q-0006UX-CR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ845-00023o-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9877 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9877-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9877.13196531297894 (code B ref 9877); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9877) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2011 18:18:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ83s-00023H-Ox for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:18:48 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ83o-000231-SU for 9877@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:18:46 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EANhNqE5MCrTo/2dsb2JhbABCqUuBBoFuAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBO1JYhqBKFAhEU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,410,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="144608995" Original-Received: from 76-10-180-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.180.232]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 26 Oct 2011 14:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C602E59011; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:46:43 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:19:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:53163 Archived-At: > Not only do users still need to jump through the same silly hoops (edit > the `From' field from its "...tickle" silliness, etc.), but now you make This bug is still open indeed. Lars said he hand an idea of how to work around it, but I haven't heard from him since. > And no, Emacs is NOT "about to send an email message" Yes it is. The message is currently in an Emacs buffer and it needs to go to the destination host, and a command told Emacs to "do it". So yes, it's about to send an email. Maybe it will do so via the user's MUA with some user interaction along the way, tho. If you can suggest better wording, please do. > Users reporting a bug with emacs -Q SHOULD NOT HAVE TO "tell Emacs how > to send email". Hmm... should I call that "mail client centric"? There is no reliable way to send email in general without asking the user. It sucks, but that's how it is. Please please please pretty please stop bitching about it because there is nothing we can do about it. > Emacs does NOT need to know how to send email if a user > has a mail client. What is that I see? Oh, right an "if", great! > And NO, Emacs will NOT record your selection and use it thereafter. Not > if you are using emacs -Q. Then don't use "emacs -Q" to send bug reports. It's an idiotic idea anyway. > You need to totally rethink/redesign this nonsense. And you need to totally rethink your attitude and use of the caps lock key. Setfan